Joined: Aug 04, 2008 Posts: 356 Location: Indian Ocean
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 6:59 am Post subject:
i find fault in our foreign ministry however much i blame the american travel advisories. as a free and liberal government we should be able to set our own diplomatic standards with the country we relate with, but our problem is we have let the travel advisory be a one way street from the other nation to us. which is wrong. in the case of eac we are yet to see what it can do.
i blame Kenya and her neighbors for al shaabab uprise, ever since this thing started we should have intervened along time ago, as a country kenya tries to diplomat everything but at times peace does not come but by the edge of the sword. seal the damn border however much you piss off the UN let them know that any immediate danger befalls on you not them, somalia is depreciating by day, like taliban and hamas, al shaabab is trying to establish itself a government. and i bet we have all seen the extent Israel has had to go to keep her people safe. unless we act now, strictly and fast we shall always be subject of travel bans and such other diplomatic crap with these developed nations. _________________ Undead :when tragedy strikes a wise man consoles himself that what happened to him was inevitable and moves on,
but a fool consoles himself that what happened to him will also happen to others and waits for it to happen.
kenN
It is articles like this that will scare tourists away. I have travelled extensively but something like this will have me looking at advisories before I made up my mind.
Joined: Aug 04, 2008 Posts: 356 Location: Indian Ocean
Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:51 am Post subject:
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Trans Mara is notorious for cattle rustling.
cattle rustling is another security ghost that continues to haunt Kenya, the gangs are usually the from uganda, related with the sldf leader kony _________________ Undead :when tragedy strikes a wise man consoles himself that what happened to him was inevitable and moves on,
but a fool consoles himself that what happened to him will also happen to others and waits for it to happen.
kenN
This is the reason why people utilize these sites. A person from a small town travelling to Kenya for the first time is likely not knowing there is a problem with cattle rustling in Masa Mara, you could be held up by bandits who come from Uganda increasing your chances of being killed.
There needs to be some kind of assurances that if someone travels they will have a modicum of safety. Not only are the governments responsible but these tourist companies who are aware of certain dangerous pockets should not take unsuspecting people to these areas.
Joined: Aug 01, 2008 Posts: 1241 Location: Down the lane
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:10 am Post subject:
One thing that distinguishes tourist attacks is the media attention it recieves and almost always some diplomatic rejoinder.
The host government commits itself to do everything, the seniormost police dude around gives a speech and helicopters are dispatched in view of all cameras to apprehend the culprits but the truth is that tourist attacks happen where there is a general lax or breakdown in security alertness and response.
Tourists are seen to be vulnerable because they are less likely to respond as effectively as locals and are thought to carry wads of cash and jewelry.
There are about three types of motivations that determine the target, how much force is used and how likely a response will work:
1. Guerilla/rebel groups - these are likely to be well planned and forewarned but also put many lives on the line. In certain situations hostages taken.
Such incidents have been reported in egypt, turkey, yemen, afghan, goa, greece and are done by known grouups. Sometimes the threat to attack tourist spots like in India are enough to disrupt things.
2. Xenophobia - these are rare and happen like in culturally racially unintegrated places like new zealand.
3. Theft - kenya, mozambique, new zealand (again) peru and everywhere else. These are plain thieves who take advantage of the tourists just as they would attack anyone if they believed they would escape with it.
Of course they are easier to track.
Others stray and may end up being mugged in funny joints out of the official "tourist spots".
Yet others are caught in crossfire between rebel forces or in towns under siege.
Of course there are tourists who ATTACK locals! If a local hits back.........is that a tourist attack or counter-attack!
LolaB wrote:
This is the reason why people utilize these sites. A person from a small town travelling to Kenya for the first time is likely not knowing there is a problem with cattle rustling in Masa Mara, you could be held up by bandits who come from Uganda increasing your chances of being killed.
There needs to be some kind of assurances that if someone travels they will have a modicum of safety. Not only are the governments responsible but these tourist companies who are aware of certain dangerous pockets should not take unsuspecting people to these areas.
I do agree there is a lot that each of the countries can do about the different types and magnitude of tourist attacks.............and this referes to all countries the world over! _________________ Great minds discuss ideas; ordinary minds, events; simple minds, people; simpletons, sheep.
Joined: Aug 04, 2008 Posts: 356 Location: Indian Ocean
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:53 pm Post subject:
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Tourists are seen to be vulnerable because they are less likely to respond as effectively as locals and are thought to carry wads of cash and jewelry.
regardless sometimes tourist do act stupidly and put themselves right in the line of fire. sometimes back i was working in a project that was owned by a tourist, it involved film taking and one scene was being shot right in the middle of kibera. the guy had paid all the budgeted expenses but still owed a substantial amount. on the day of kibera shoot, the guy decided to clear the balance, i was in the office, and my compatriot a lady was at the shoot. the guy handed her amount equivalent to 1 million kenya shillings, in cash (dollars), right in the centre of kibera as everyone watched. later in the day i went to the shooting site and walked into hell. being the accountant i became a marked man, same as my lady friend and the tourist. a group of vigilante encircled us, the cops could not handle them, we left kibera, but i had to part with money to bribe the vigilante leader to screw his group and delay the attack until the end of the shoot, i had to pay up other guys from kibera to secure us and inform us. we were lucky to escape unscathed. that was my first time in kibera, i didn't payout some guys in full, i have never returned and am not planning to. i blame the tourist for all that mess those guy didn't know we had any cash until he decided to pretend that he was still in his home country but not in the centre of the biggest slum south of Sahara.if we had not outwitted those guys, that could have hit the news as a tourist attack yet the guy had brought it upon himself. so whenever tourist come to kenya they must comprehend the change in location also result in change in circumstances and many other details, otherwise they will draw fire upon themselves and blame it on our security forces. _________________ Undead :when tragedy strikes a wise man consoles himself that what happened to him was inevitable and moves on,
but a fool consoles himself that what happened to him will also happen to others and waits for it to happen.
kenN
Joined: Aug 01, 2008 Posts: 1241 Location: Down the lane
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:11 am Post subject:
One tourist attack -murder, really - that did affect kenya involved a 28 year-old british photographer Ms. Julie Ward. Part remains of her burnt mutilated body were found in the world famous Maasai Mara 22 years ago next month.
At first, they accused the animals, then suicide -to which the father retorted that dead women do not light fires; then lightning, which of course does not take parts of the body with it or leave DNA; then two morans, a case too weak to ensure conviction; then the Mara chief warden, too sketchy. The never-giving up whose quest rubbed the kenya police and scotland yard detectives believes new strides in DNA technology will point to the killer, he travelled to kenya early this year and got assurances of cooperation from the justice minister, kenyan and UK detectives.
The father, a retired hotelier, has travelled to and from kenya and spent enough money to have settled in kenya in a lavish style. But the 75 year old man has always been kept going in the search for justice amid challenges. _________________ Great minds discuss ideas; ordinary minds, events; simple minds, people; simpletons, sheep.
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